well, can you balance the budget without or while you're cutting taxes? our tax rates. i said i don't think we can balance the budget without cutting tax rates because that's how you get the economy moving. you've got to have growth. i think it's doable. we are going to need cooperation, but i'm hopeful that after the election, maybe they'll sit down and we can talk. >> mitt romney's saying he's going to balance the budget by the end of the second term. that means running deficits for the next eight years. only thing i've seen on his website is $500 billion in cuts in the year 2016. that's not dealing with the debt for another four years. >> if we can move faster and further, we certainly will, but governor romney wanted to propose something he thought we could do. >> he's going to close loopholes to do it. you and i are both familiar are w the studies that say that's not possible or tough to do. let's just say in order to get there, he can't cut by to 20%. he has to cut by 10. maybe 4. would he adjust that promise? >> well, he's certainly willing to talk. when you do t